Thorsten the Traveller wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:07 am
The Jabberwock: It makes no sense that a company that has already completed its m/h phase is not at a site.
Frodo: It’s true that the arrival at a site during the site phase, rather than when one’s site disappears, is very unintuitive.
Haven given this some thought, I do not agree, on the issue of theme. The M/H phase indicates a state in which the company is or is not moving, and in which your opponent can play hazards. The fact that they only have their new site card at the end of the M/H phase does not therefore mean the company have arrived, merely that the phase of playing hazards is over. Thus their new site will not be subject to change. They might still, thematically speaking, be
en route.
If this troubles you, just think of it as a state in which Sam is unpacking Bill the pony. They have arrived but are not ready yet to start cooking
#1, I 100% agree, ABSOLUTLEY, no confusion here on that
I only wanted to add, that there seems to be a problem with having a CLEAR interpretation of WHERE a company is AT, at all times.
I propose a simple explanation. That hopefully I can get approved some day:
First of all, let's define 3 places WHERE a company can be:
1. In region(s)
2. On the "porch" AT the Site, but not IN the site
3. In the site
--==--
A. Not Moving
B. Moving
So this follows:
Untap/Organization/Long Event Phase
They are =
2. On the porch
A. Not Moving
Then COMPANY
#1's M/H phase (not the PLAYER'S M/H, I'll get into this later)
Once they turn over the new destination site:
They are =
1. In region(s)
B. Moving
Now don't get this twisted, because they can be in 1 to n regions, and going thru one, and then get lost and go back thru one etc, this need not be explicit to WHICH region they are in at this time, (Dreamcards might want to tho
So now at the end of their M/H phase, their SITE of ORIGIN is removed and all that remain's is the Destination Site
To re-quote Took:
MELE Glossary wrote:Moving Company: A company in the process of moving between a site of origin and new site. A company is moving during its movement/hazard phase from the time it reveals its new site until the site of origin is removed.
A company’s Movement/Hazard Phase is concluded when a moving company removes its site of origin
and both players agree to reconcile (discard down to/draw up to) their hand sizes. No resources (and
obviously no hazards) can be played, and no resource effects can be activated, until the Site Phase
or until both players have drawn cards for the movement of a following company [CRF]
This DOES NOT mean they are AT THE site, they could be at a near by stream, getting water,
but the time to APPROACH (<- see the word Porch in there?) or even ENTER is not right.
But the HEAVY Lifting (i.e. serious STARTER/REGIONAL MOVEMENT) is done.
Now the ugly question is where is Company #1 during Company #2-n's M/H phase
To me:
Company #1 is =
1. In the destination region
(I am looking for what would be wrong with this pacification?) and then eventually get a RULE.
(because you cannont play hazards ON THEM, because they: are...)
A. Not Moving
Then COMPANY
#2's M/H phase
Once they turn over the new destination site
They are =
1. In region(s)
B. Moving
etc...
When ALL Companies have finished THEIR M/H phases.
The Player's M/H phase is over.
NOW at the Begining of the Site Phase all companies are:
2. On the Porch
B. Not Moving
During the Site Phase they can KINDA MOVE by ENTERING the SIte (if they want to!):
making them
3. In the Site
B. Not Moving
During the EOT phase
2. On the porch
(this could be debated tho, and I have NOT given thought as to the IF they entered or not,
but currently I am under the assumption once the site phase is over they get out of that
"Horrible Place")
B. Not Moving
I WILL POST MORE LATER, if needed
to me the only things that NEED to be understood is
PHASE, WHERE, and STATUS...
If you don't like my "On the porch" terminology then go with my OLDER, In a TENT just 100 yards from the perimeter of the where the SITE exactly is argument.
p.s. I remember a time when the argument was, if they (during the site phase) are not IN the SITE, then where are they, that's why the:
on the porch or my old in a tent just nearby place.
My thing is THIS needs to be addresed for more clarity:
p.s. medusa comments redacted, due to me being a smart ass