miguel wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 9:23 am
When you are wrong, you are not
teaching anyone anything. You are only muddying the waters, which is
very bad because the rules indeed are difficult. And I
do fault you for doing so. Your argumentative fallacies combined with a zealot-like overestimation of your understanding of the rules / card texts make actually
discussing anything with you nigh impossible (unless in agreement, of course).
It's not
my view, it's
ICE's view and I'm just explaining their view. ICE's view is clear and it's explicitly laid out in the beginning of the CRF and all of their rulings in the CRF and elsewhere follow this reasoning. Anyone reading the ICE Netrep's rulings would understand this. You can see numerous examples of people being baffled by ICE's rulings because they didn't understand ICE's principle "
if it isn't there it isn't there." Ignorance of how ICE ruled doesn't make my statements false or overzealous.
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miguel wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 9:23 am
Fallen-Radagast's card drawing ability was ICE's effort to write a better version of the text on Hero Radagast, to clarify when the cards are drawn.
ICE understood their own game. The action of revealing a face-down site card has never been the same as moving. If anything, the change to FW Radagast to prevent his effect from working when moving to a site in play is intentional given that
The White Hand was released with so many powerful effects on face-up sites in play. The ICE Netrep play tested
The White Hand and he knew "if it isn't there it isn't there" and that FW Radagast only draws more cards if a new site is revealed. ICE knew what they were doing when they changed FW Radagast to work different from Hero Radagast.
Furthermore, several resource cards in
The White Hand specifically trigger when a company is "moving to" a site. "Moving to a new site" is clearly not the same, nor is it "a better version" of, "revealing a new site" in
The White Hand.
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miguel wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 9:23 am
It really is just about timing, "when new site is revealed" means the "declaration and resolution of the new site". And my earlier example of
The Reach of Ulmo also confirms this, the card text is merely letting you know that you can play it at a time the rules say hazards may not normally be played. Take it or leave it, I don't care.
Your interpretation is inconsistent with ICE rulings and their clarifications, whether you care or not. ICE made several rulings regarding a company's "new site" and how it should be
considered. ICE never ruled that "moving to a new site" should be
considered as "revealing a new site" because these are different.
CRF Movement/Hazard phase wrote:A non-moving company's current site is considered its new site for card play.
If moving to a new site were considered revealing for other purposes besides declaring movement, such as triggering card effect, ICE would have ruled so. But they didn't rule that way because "moving to a new site" and "revealing a new site" are not the same.
I'm not going to pretend that ICE should have ruled a certain way just so that Washed and Refreshed doesn't work as stated on its card text. That makes no sense.
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miguel wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 9:23 am
And finally CDavis7M, are you going to address your innuendo about misinterpreting the rules so that "I" could win tournament games at the expense of other player's experience, or apologize for it?
I addressed myself. Other players have reported their frustrating experiences with the Carambor Machine on this website and elsewhere. You have made your statement about yourself here and I'm not going to comment on what you say about yourself.