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Theo wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2020 1:06 am Similarly the placement of creature cards (in discard or MP pile, say), is part of the resolution of the creature card, which cannot be determined until the attack is concluded.
Maybe you can cite to a rule where creatures are placed in the discard pile. 🙃
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MELE wrote:A detainment attack from a creature is never defeated and the creature’s card is always discarded after the attack is resolved.
MELE wrote:Nevido Smôd faces the next strike. Nevido Smôd taps and rolls a 2, falling to a successful strike. Your opponent rolls the body check, but only gets a 4 so Nevido Smôd lives. Dôgrib chooses to face his strike next. He chooses not to tap and therefore gets a -3 modification to his prowess. He rolls a 6 which ties the prowess of the Orc-warband strike. The strike is ineffectual. Threlin resolves his strike next, taps, and defeats it by rolling a 7. Jerrek resolves the final strike, taps, and defeats it by rolling a 3. Orc-warband is discarded.
Your opponent sees that one character, Dôgrib, is untapped. He plays an Elf-lord Revealed in Wrath (15/9) (a fourth hazard) keyed to Shadow-lands (Doors of Night is not in play) and reasons that Dôgrib will have to take its one ver powerful strike with little chance of canceling it. (After all, if you give up the option of assigning the one strike to your untapped character, namely Dôgrib, the opponent will be able to choose from all 5 characters which will take the strike). Your opponent does not see what Dôgrib sees. Before assigning the strike, Dôgrib discards his Foul Smelling Paste to heal and untap Nevido Smôd, who then announces he is taking the strike. The Elf-lord Revealed is keyed to the Shadow-land, so Nevido Smôd taps his Shadow-cloak to cancel its single strike. The Elf-lord is discarded.
MELE wrote:Discard Pile – Your discarded cards are placed face down in your discard pile.
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Theo wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2020 8:18 am
MELE wrote:A detainment attack from a creature is never defeated and the creature’s card is always discarded after the attack is resolved.
That's just for detainment attacks.
Theo wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2020 8:18 am
MELE wrote:Jerrek resolves the final strike, taps, and defeats it by rolling a 3. Orc-warband is discarded.
Yup, the "rule" lives in an example. And also in the supposedly inaccurate Challenge Deck and Balrog rules.
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CDavis7M wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:37 pm Theo wrote: ↑24 Jan 2020, 09:18
MELE wrote:
A detainment attack from a creature is never defeated and the creature’s card is always discarded after the attack is resolved.
That's just for detainment attacks.
Seems like:
This is the Hi-Ho-Cherry-O principle that even children understand -- don't take cherries from someone else's tree. It doesn't have to be written down, it is fundamental.
is not ultimate solution.
That is good sign.
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Some trace.
CRF, Cards (Errata), Ruse wrote:If Ruse is played by a scout who is the only character in the company, the attack has
no effect. If there is a creature card it is discarded. The attack is considered faced but
not canceled.
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