Warm Now Be Heart and Limb

[Konrad Klar]

The Dragons: Warm Now Be Heart and Limb
Rarity: Common, Precise: C2

Resource: Short-event

Ritual. Playable on a company during organization phase. Each sage in company that taps may heal one character (from wounded to tapped). Each sage so tapping makes a corruption check. "To Frodo's great joy the Hobbits stirred, stretched their arms, rubbed their eyes, and then suddenly sprang up." -LotRI

What is duration of the effect of the card?
Until end of turn? During current organization phase? If so, the card is candidate to errata.

Or maybe the card works in other way, not requiring to specify a duration?

EDIT: In citation "Each sage so makes a corruption check" -> "Each sage so tapping makes a corruption check"

[Bandobras Took]

My guess is that the intent of the card is that the sages who tap to do so on declaration as an active condition of the healing effect, with the succeeding cc(s) each being their own chain of effects.

[Konrad Klar]

If I understand, this means that each sage taps after chain of effects in which Warm Now Be Heart and Limb resolves. That leads to question: how long the after lasts?

[Bandobras Took]

I don't think so.

I think you choose targets for healing at declaration. Sages are tapped as active conditions for the healing at declaration.

Healing happens at resolution.

Then ccs for tapped sages begin their own chains.

[Konrad Klar]

Declarations:

Balin heals Fili
Bilbo heals Kili
Warm Now Be Heart and Limb

Resolutions:

Warm Now Be Heart and Limb
Bilbo heals Kili
Balin heals Fili

Declarations:

Balin makes cc
Bilbo makes cc
New Friendship on Balin's cc

Resolutions:

New Friendship on Balin's cc
Bilbo makes cc
Balin makes cc


Right?

[Bandobras Took]

I believe so, yes. Timing is usually a mess.

[Konrad Klar]

I believe so, yes. Timing is usually a mess.

Is it also timing of:

The Dragons: When I Know Anything
Rarity: Common, Precise: C2

Resource: Permanent-event

Light enchantment. Playable on a sage during the site phase at a site where "Information" is playable. Tap sage and site. Tap sage to modify one corruption check by a character in his company by +3. Sage makes a corruption check. "'You are an interfering old busybody,' laughed Bilbo, 'but I expect you know best, as usual.' 'I do-when I know anything...'" -LotRI

?

[Bandobras Took]

No. When played, it targets a single sage; the timing for such things is established. As a permanent-event, it establishes the capacity to later initiate an action.

[Konrad Klar]

I'm sorry. I mean: is it what happens when later the action from When I Know Anything is initiated?

Declaration:
"modify one corruption check by a character in his company by +3"
other action 1
other action 2

Resolution:
other action 2
other action 1
"modify one corruption check by a character in his company by +3"


Declaration:
Sage makes cc.
other action 3
other action 4

Resolution:
other action 4
other action 3
Sage makes cc.

[Bandobras Took]

I believe that would be correct, yes.

[Konrad Klar]

So you are consistent.
I think that timing of action from When I Know Anything is similar to timing of Marvels Told.

For Marvels Told:

Declaration:
corruption check -2 by sage
discarding of target event
Marvels Told (as whole card)
other action 1
other action 2


Resolution:
other action 2
other action 1
Marvels Told (as whole card)
discarding of target event
corruption check -2 by sage

For action from When I Know Anything:

Declaration:
corruption check -1
Dragon-sickness (as whole card)
Sage makes cc
"modify one corruption check by a character in his company by +3"
other action 1
other action 2

Resolution:
other action 2
other action 1
"modify one corruption check by a character in his company by +3"
Sage makes cc
Dragon-sickness (as whole card)
corruption check -1

I.e. in both cases two actions are declared and are resolved/executed in the same chain of effects. I do not see a reason for which why they would be split on two chains of effects.
For Warm Now Be Heart and Limb, I do not know what exactly the card works.

[Bandobras Took]

As I said in my first post, timing is usually a mess. *Especially* in the case of short-events.

Your interpretation is at least as valid as mine, though as you noted, mine allows for more consistency across cards.

[Konrad Klar]

Your interpretation is at least as valid as mine, though as you noted, mine allows for more consistency across cards.

Especially if the same timing you are using for action from When I Know Anything you are using for Marvels Told. Discarding of target event in one chain of effects, cc in next chain of effects.

Otherwise:

I believe so, yes. Timing is usually a mess.

will be self-fulfilling prophecy.

[Konrad Klar]

I do not think that a timing is mess. I think that a timing of some cards is unclear.

E.g.

The Wizards: Praise to Elbereth
Rarity: Uncommon, Precise: U

Resource: Short-event

For each of your characters in play that you choose to tap, cancel one Nazgûl event or one Nazgûl attack. Additionally, if Doors of Night is in play, characters gain +1 prowess until the end of turn. "O Elbereth! Githoniel!...Thy starlight on the Western Seas."-LotRI

Nazgûl events discarded by Praise to Elbereth have no effect.
Which characters are tapping to discard which events must be declared when Praise to Elbereth is declared.
Nazgûl permanent-events that are targeted by Praise to Elbereth may not be tapped in response to its play.

[Konrad Klar]

I think that now I know how Warm Now Be Heart and Limb works. Similarly to the way the Praise to Elbereth is working.

Thing that is common for the two cards (and different from rest of cards) is that multiple cards may be tapped at declaration as active condition of the cards. Rest remains the same; each action created by the card is declared, resolves/is executed in the same chain of effects.

If this is true (and even if it is not true) this means also that a whole Warm Now Be Heart and Limb, Praise to Elbereth may be spoiled (fizzled) by removing/untapping/wounding/healing any character involved, by action declared in response/resolved before, or by canceling Nazgûl event or Nazgûl attack. Seem like Praise to Elbereth is more prone for it than Warm Now Be Heart and Limb.

@Bandobras Took
Thanks for input and my apologies for being a bit rude.
Your question about Ioreth And Well-Preserved was inspiration for creating this thread.