Konrad Klar wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 6:32 am
BTW. I am curious about origin of CRF entry for Black Rain.
In my copy of CRF dated on 2001 the entry is not present.
Is it from ICE?
As an errata it does not require explanation.
As a ruling it is wrong. Special Item ring checks for presence of Gold Ring item, but not for alignment of event that caused its playing. Moreover Black Rain is not an item.
Konrad, did you know that your so-called "CRF" is not an actual CRF and that it is not from ICE? It should be obvious that it is not from ICE if it is dated 2001. The last version of the CRF issued by ICE was version 15 dated to May 29, 1999. CRF 15 was actually issued a second time with minor changes.
And your CRF has been been tampered with? I bet it was the old CoE. They gave a wrong ruling on Black Rain and maybe they tampered with your CRF. I know that there are other tampered CRF's on the Internet.
I've already gone over several of the CoE Netrep's incorrect rulings on Black Rain but I'll exclude the Fallen Wizard discussion here to keep it short.
The rule in the real CRF from ICE states "
hero items may not be used as conditions for minion resources, and minion items may not be used as conditions for hero resources." This rule says "conditions." Not just conditions for playing the card, not just active conditions, but all conditions.
Black Rain has an effect: "
according to the result, you may play an item from your hand with the sage." Having an item card in your hand is a "condition" for the action of moving the item card from your hand to the play-area with the sage. A hero item card cannot be a condition for playing an item card. This is not "targeting" the card in your hand. Of course not, the card is not yet in play. But it is a "condition." And ICE Netrep Ichabod ruled the same.
My thanks to pioneer Martin Toggweiler for asking many of the tough questions.
ICE wrote:From: ich...@spamblock.cstone.net (Craig Ichabod O'Brien)
Subject: [MECCG] Rules Digest 52
Date: 1998/03/05
Organization: Iron Crown Enterprises
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From: Martin Toggweiler <mtogg...@compuserve.com>
>1) I'm pretty sure a Minion player could play a hero ring using *Black
>Rain*, less sure if a FW could do it. Since *Black Rain* doesn't target
>the ring or the site, but just the sage, I see no problem. Ichabod, please
>confirm or refute this.
A minion player could not play a hero ring using Black Rain. It is not
a question of targeting, but of conditions.
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ICE wrote:From: ich...@spamblock.cstone.net (Craig Ichabod O'Brien)
Subject: [MECCG] Rules Digest 54
Date: 1998/03/09
Organization: Iron Crown Enterprises
>OK, I'm now confused. Minions can play Hero Items for 1/2 MP and they
>can't use the abilities of the item,
how does that differ from playing
>a hero ring w/ Black Rain.
Minions can't play hero rings from minion resources. Its always been
that way. That's why it is so hard for a minion to play the hero
One Ring. Hero items cannot fulfill conditions for minion resources,
at least for minions.
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