1) characters of a minion or Balrog player?
2) orc charcters of a FW player?
Clear skies reads:
Einvironment Playable only if Gates of Morning is in play. The prowess of each character is modified by +2.
Einvironment Playable only if Gates of Morning is in play. The prowess of each character is modified by +2.
ICE Netrep 1997/6/14 wrote:>Q: Do the bonuses that Hero long events like Star of High Hope and Sun
>and the short event The Evenstar give to elves, dunadain, and men apply
>to minion characters of those races as well?
Yes, those are bonuses to characters, and apply equally to minion and hero characters.
There is a difference between "target" and "affect." There is no possibility in the rules to "target" an opponent's site with your resource. The reason that the ruling "Hero events cannot target or affect minion sites, and vice versa. News of the Shire is an exception" says "target" is because it is specifically an expansion of the corresponding MEWH rule to hero and minion players. The MEWH rules were drafted to cover ALL situations by using the word "affect" in addition to the word "target." For example, Forewarned is Forearmed does not target the site (it is a non-targeting effect), but it does affect the site (i.e., the reduction of the site's automatic attacks to one attack).Khamul the Easterling wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 5:15 pm Thank you!
Only I don't really see the difference to, for instance, Forewarned is Forearmed (modifying auto-attacks) that was discussed here [Rules questions: Forewarned means Forearmed
I daresay that also FiF does not target cross-aligned specific sites, but why?
I would interpret this as preventing Forewarned is Forearmed from reducing the number of automatic-attacks of a Balrog opponent's sites.CRF, Site wrote:Hero events cannot target or affect minion sites, and vice versa. News of the Shire is an exception.
The above Site rule was "extended" from the Fallen Wizard rules. It seems natural to me that the exception for affecting the automatic-attack would also be extended, but I don't recall seeing that explicitly. So right now, if you are playing Fallen alignment then Forewarned is Forearmed DOES affect Balrog opponent sites, but not if you are playing Hero. Pretty "neat".CRF, Fallen-wizard wrote:You may use minion or hero resources to affect the automatic-attack at a site, regardless of the site's alignment.
No because Forewarned is Forearmed specifically affects the site card and not the (automatic-)attack created when the site is entered:
From: ich...@spamblock.net (Ichabod)
Subject: [MECCG] Rules Digest 29
Date: 1998/01/11
>According to the White Hand rules supplement, "A hero resource card may
>not target/affect a minion site card or a minion resource card. A
>minion resource card may not target/affect a hero site card or a hero
>resource card."
>
>So, I can't play minion items, factions, etc. on a hero site. Does this
>also mean that I can't play A Nice Place to Hide or Ruse, minion
>resources, on a hero site to cancel the automatic attack? It would seem
>not.
Cancelling the automatic-attack does not target the site, so you could
play Ruse to cancel the attack at hero site.
This distinction between affecting the site and affecting the automatic-attack comes up again:From: ich...@spamblock.cstone.net (Craig Ichabod O'Brien)
Subject: [MECCG] CRF 11: Changes only
Date: 1998/04/08
Fallen-wizard
@ You may use minion or hero resources to affect the automatic-attack at a
site, regardless of the site's alignment.
From: ich...@spamblock.cstone.net (Craig Ichabod O'Brien)
Subject: [MECCG] Rules Digest 52
Date: 1998/03/05
>I guess the basic question is:
>Is targeting the automatic-attack of a site the same as targeting a
>site?
No, if you are facing the attack. Modifying what the card says is
targeting the site, as in Rebuild the Town removing the automatic-
attack. Affecting the attack as you are facing it is not targeting
the site.
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Yes it is the site that is affected. That doesn't mandate that the automatic attacks of the site aren't affected. With some breathtaking deduction, note that the automatic attacks of the site are indeed affected: they are the attribute of the site that is "reduced". Thus FiF qualifies for the Fallen-wizard exemption.CDavis7M wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 5:04 pm Forewarned is Forearmed specifically affects the site card and not the (automatic-)attack created when the site is entered:
"Any non-Dragon Lair site with more than one automatic-attack is reduced to having one automatic-attack"
It is the site that is affected.
Theo wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 3:40 amYes it is the site that is affected. That doesn't mandate that the automatic attacks of the site aren't affected. With some breathtaking deduction, note that the automatic attacks of the site are indeed affected: they are the attribute of the site that is "reduced". Thus FiF qualifies for the Fallen-wizard exemption.CDavis7M wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 5:04 pm Forewarned is Forearmed specifically affects the site card and not the (automatic-)attack created when the site is entered:
"Any non-Dragon Lair site with more than one automatic-attack is reduced to having one automatic-attack"
It is the site that is affected.
Underline mine.CRF wrote:A company may not play any resource during the site phase until they have faced all
automatic-attacks, unless that resource directly affects an automatic-attack.
Removing an automatic-attack does not directly affect it, although cancelling does.
Your misunderstanding is that you think the CRF ruling is an "exemption" when I already provided the rulings and explained that it is merely a clarification that the MEWH rules do not have restrictions on playing resources that affect automatic-attacks.Theo wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 3:40 am Yes it is the site that is affected. That doesn't mandate that the automatic attacks of the site aren't affected. With some breathtaking deduction, note that the automatic attacks of the site are indeed affected: they are the attribute of the site that is "reduced". Thus FiF qualifies for the Fallen-wizard exemption.
In MECCG the term "automatic-attack" is used to describe both (i) the "automatic-attack" attribute listed on a site card and (ii) and combat-attack that is resolved when a company enters a site that has an automatic-attack attribute.Konrad Klar wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 5:30 pm 1) Conceptual AA, or AA understood as an attribute of a site is unable to be removed. So my inference is that CRF says not about conceptual AA, but about concrete AA.