Alatar - what site is he at during the M/H Phase

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Bob654
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From Alatar's Game Text:
If in a Haven when a hazard creature is played on another company, he may join tha company and face one of the hazard creature's strikes
(This is the regular hero version, but the same question applies to the FW version too)

In which of the following situations is Alatar considered to be "in a Haven" during the Movement Hazard Phase?

a) He is at Rivendell and his company did not play a new site card face down during the Organization Phase
b) He is at Rivendell, his company played a new site card, but a different company is conducting their M/H phase before his company's new site card has been revealed
c) Alatar was somewhere else, and moved to Rivendell during his Movement Hazard Phase, and now a different company is conducting their M/H Phase

Situation A seems like obviously yes. Situation B and C are similar except this (from the URD document):
You are not “at” your site until the beginning of the Site Phase [CoE 43]. ♦ Characters which give bonuses at certain sites will not give those bonuses until the Site Phase if they move to the site that turn [CoE 67].
So if he doesn't technically "arrive" at his new site until the Site Phase, that seems like Situation C might be a no.

But for Situation B, I found this:
A company is considered to be at the site given by its site card at all times except from the moment their new site card is revealed during their Movement/Hazard Phase until their old site card is discarded during the same Movement/Hazard Phase.
Which would seem to suggest that Alatar is still "at" the Haven until his new site card is revealed (so could teleport to help another company moving first, Situation B). But it also somewhat contradicts the previous URD quote, since this is saying Alatar would be considered at his new site upon discarding his old site card at the end of his M/H phase (and thus would be able to teleport to help a company that moves after he does, Situation C).

What's the consensus on this...
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Theo
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(a) and (b) he is at the site. I don't know of anything contentious for those.

As you found, a company is not at their new site until the beginning of their site phase. This was a change from your last reference, which is now outdated. However, this literally has ridiculous implications for other rules, so has been intermittently questioned/contested over the years (I'm sure there are other threads active within the last couple weeks on this). That is, the ruling is unquestionable that for (c) Alatar would not be at a site, but consensus does not exist among players that this is what it should be.
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