Second effect of Ruse/Assassin

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Konrad Klar
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It cannot be said that all assigned strikes of the attack have been defeated if no strike has been assigned.
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At least standard axiomatic set theory believes that can be said.
wikipedia wrote: For every property:
For every element of ∅ the property holds (vacuous truth);
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Theo wrote: Fri Apr 17, 2020 8:34 pm At least standard axiomatic set theory believes that can be said.
wikipedia wrote: For every property:
For every element of ∅ the property holds (vacuous truth);
Except also:
For any property:

There is no element of ∅ for which the property holds.
Based on your logic, cancelled attacks would also be considered "defeated" since their strikes were not assigned.
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MELE Defeating an Attack wrote:If the attack is canceled, the attack is not defeated.
Could you clarify what point you intend with regard to the lack of elements for which the property holds?
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Theo wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 4:40 am With no assigned strikes, the attack (if resolved) would be defeated, regardless of whether unassigned strikes were resolved or not.
An assassin with no strikes assigned is not defeated.
ICE Digest 555 wrote: Here is the official ruling. The assassins special ability is also it's limit. It has to attack the same target three times. If More Sense than You canceled an attack, you would need three to stop an assassin. Since it prevents the strike from being assigned to a character, none of the assassins strikes can be assigned to that character. If the company only has one character then the character is safe. Otherwise, the assassin must pick someone else as the target.

As was mentioned in other posts, the key is that all the Assassin's attacks/strikes must be against the SAME chararacter. If the Assassin cannot for what ever reason (in this case MSTY) assign the strike of its first attack to any character, the other attacks are rendered void since they would have to be assigned to the SAME character, which in this case is NO CHARACTER. It's a reasonable interpretation, and is the ruling that Ichabod made about then months ago.
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Do you believe that More Sense than You could cancel an attack? Konrad also did not think so, and you said you agreed with him.
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I think that not assigned strike are never considered defeated/failed/successful.
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