Hazard limit inf Mt Doom with Mountains of Shadow

[Konrad Klar]

You think that these situations matter and they don't. That is what is wrong.

There is a rule on the Hazard Limit. It's simple to follow.

If there are some disagreements, then something is not simple and is not obvious for everyone - universally.
Something may appear as simple and obvious only for me.
With all respect to others, who disagree with me: I can express may view and hear what others says.
Not speaking them, that something is wrong in them.

Of course it's "the modification of HL that comes from Mount Doom is not component of base hazard limit." Why even say that? Even still, the modification from Mount Doom comes at the same game-time (Step 1) as calculating the base hazard limit as specified in The Dragons rules.

Bold mine.
There are situations that happen at the same time but happen from different reasons. Voluntary actions may interleave with actions caused by trigger (the trigger may be a passive condition or something else). There are different reasons for which some actions will resolve, or fizzle.

Some other actions/effects may happen in nearly, but not exactly at the same time.

You, someone else, may deny the distinction.

[CDavis7M]

Let's go back to your conclusion.

"Any company moving to Mount Doom has its hazard limit modified by +2"
is an action caused by passive condition (action is +2 to HL, condition is a moving to Mount Doom).

Wrong. The timing is not based on the Passive Condition rules. The timing is based on the Hazard Limit rules in The Dragons where effects are "applied immediately" after the site is revealed. The effects are not declared and resolved later using Passive Condition rules.

"if the site moved to is in one of the regions listed above, the hazard limit is reduced by 2 (to a minimum of 2)" is action governed by rule:

Effects that are played during the organization phase, and depend on the site or site
path of a moving company, create an effect which is not declared until the new site is
revealed. If the site or site path is not of the appropriate type when the effect resolves,
the resource has no effect. If the company has multiple movement/hazard phases on
the same turn, the card applies separately to each phase, having an effect only if the
correct conditions are met.

Wrong. This rule does not apply. The Hazard Limit rule from The Dragons was in effect for about a year before this clarification was given. This clarification is not errata -- it does not override the Hazard Limit rule in The Dragons. The clarification in the CRF did not and cannot change how Hazard Limit modifying effects are applied.

Order of declaration of such actions is currently not defined by rules.

Wrong and imprecise. The order is declaration was set by the player in the organization phase. The order of applying the effects is set by the player controlling the company according to The Dragons rules.

The following proposal is aimed to solve the problem:
Effects played during the organization phase, and depend on the site or site path of a moving company

This proposal is incorrect and imprecise.


Just read the rules. There's no need to make stuff up by misinterpreting the CRF.

[Konrad Klar]

So play in such way.
If Gandalf the White Rider is present at start of M/H phase then apply the modification of HL from the card along with modification from modifications from Horses.
If Gandalf the White Rider comes into play in middle of M/H phase, or at this point company becomes overt, then apply the modification according to other rule.