Council of Elrond

Question here: I found somewhere months ago (cannot remember where) that Dwarf Holds are not considered to be adjacent to under deeps sites, so you cannot play Nameless Things there with Doors of Night in play (the same thing for portected wizardhavens and the Deep Mines thing).
- Is that correct? No adjacent at all? or just for some kind of things, like the Nameless ones?
- In case is totally not connected to the under deeps? Does it become adjacent in case of playing there Breach the Hold? It would be interesting, just in case you Breach the Hold, Invade their Domain, become the Lord and Usurper and then you also want to make a Tempest of Fire appears in that place...

Thanks.

Related rules that I know:

Buried deeply in Balrog manual wrote:For the purposes of playing hazards, a Free-hold is never considered to be the
surface site of an Under-deeps site.

CRF, Rulings by Term, Wizardhaven wrote:A Wizardhaven is not considered to be adjacent to an Under-deeps site unless Deep
Mines has been played on it.

(I did not know that site card may be played on a site)
One of implications of the second rule is that a company at Wizardhaven, that was adjacent to an Under-deeps before it become Wizardhaven, cannot move to Under-deeps, unless "Deep Mines has been played on it". Text of Deep Mines is sufficient to overcome this limitation and to break the vicious circle.

However:

CRF, Rulings by Term, Under-deeps wrote:With the addition of the sites in Balrog, Windthrone is now always a surface site of an
underdeeps.

Underline mine.

Maybe this is a one of the cases when ICE authors were in mood* and generously ladle out a word "always".
But if it is otherwise meaningful then The Wind Throne converted to Wizardhaven is a surface site of an Under-deeps whether "Deep
Mines has been played on it", or not.

There is also theoretical conflict between phrase with "always" and phrase with "never", in case of hypothetical effect that would change The Wind Throne to .

*) Using the phrases "Windthrone" instead "The Wind Throne", "underdeeps" instead "Under-deeps", would indicate that they actually were in mood.

Thanks a lot for all your clarifications, Konrad. All clear now.

Mordakai wrote:Thanks a lot for all your clarifications, Konrad. All clear now.

Or, at least, it's clear in what ways it's unclear.

I'm getting accoustomed to Konrad's answers, which stick to the bottoom of the rule and not to my Surface questions. From Konrad's posts, I understand:
- I cannot play Tempest of Fire on the Blue Mountains Dwarf-Hold after Lord and Usurper (because it is indeed a surface site thereof)
- I can be played Nameless Things after Lord and Usurper (because after becoming a it is no longer a , not being protected by that rule, so now I can be visited by this wonderful ficticious creatures there)

I agree.