Foes Shall Fall

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JeekElem
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Corruption. Playable on a non-Wizard character facing a strike from a Dragon or Drake hazard creature attack. If the strike is defeated, discard this card. If the strike is not defeated, place creature's card with Foes Shall Fall-creature is considered off to the side. Target character's company faces an attack from creature at the start of each movement/hazard phase if creature is playable. Discard associated creature's card if Foes shall Fall is discarded. Discard Foes Shall Fall if attached Dragon or Drake is defeated. If targeted character is a Dwarf, he receives 2 corruption points.
This question came up at our last game session. The dragon killed the character that was the target of "Foes Shall Fall". Is the dragon placed off to the side with FSF because it targets the company now or are both the dragon and FSF discarded.
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JeekElem wrote:
Corruption. Playable on a non-Wizard character facing a strike from a Dragon or Drake hazard creature attack. If the strike is defeated, discard this card. If the strike is not defeated, place creature's card with Foes Shall Fall-creature is considered off to the side. Target character's company faces an attack from creature at the start of each movement/hazard phase if creature is playable. Discard associated creature's card if Foes shall Fall is discarded. Discard Foes Shall Fall if attached Dragon or Drake is defeated. If targeted character is a Dwarf, he receives 2 corruption points.
This question came up at our last game session. The dragon killed the character that was the target of "Foes Shall Fall". Is the dragon placed off to the side with FSF because it targets the company now or are both the dragon and FSF discarded.
FSF is played on a character. The Dragon/Drake card is placed with FSF and considered "off to the side". The attacks are faced by all the company of the target's character.

If the character is eliminated, all permanent events played on him are discarded, so everything is discarded.
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Thanks. That is what we went with. I guess it was too much to hope for that Agburanar would stick around after taking out have his company. :twisted:
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Foes Shall Fall has been played on a character that's facing a strike from a dragon creature. In response, if the character was a sage, could he tap to play Marvels Told to cancel FSF? And if yes, would this also discard the creature? (If I'm not mistaken, the creature wouldn't be "associated" until the strike sequence is resolved.)
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Marvels Told cannot be played on declared card ("in response"); may be played on card in play.

During strike sequence the hazards affecting a strike are played before resources affecting a strike.
Text of Foes Shall Fall does not say that the card needs be played before strikes are assigned.
The card affects a strike in such way that it changes result of not defeating the strike.
Conversely, removing a hazard that (as long it is in play *) affects a strike is also an action that affects the strike.

*) some hazards set an action activated by passive condition and the passive condition is a facing of attack of given type. During strike sequence the action is already resolved and its result is already applied to the attack, so even if such hazards would be removed during strike sequence it will not have an effect on the strike.
For example Rank upon Rank set an action "+1 to prowess, +1 strike to Man attack". If company is facing an attack of Thief, the action is declared. When resolved the attack has 2 strikes with 16 prowess. Removing the Rank upon Rank at this point will not revert the attack to 1 strike with 15 prowess. Furthermore another copy of Rank upon Rank may be played.
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Konrad Klar wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2024 5:10 amText of Foes Shall Fall does not say that the card needs be played before strikes are assigned.
Would there be any characters facing a strike before their assignment?

Also, would discarding FSF before the resolution of the final strike sequence caused the creature to be discarded too, i.e. is the creature considered “associated” with FSF before being placed off to the side with it?
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kober wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2024 12:44 pm Would there be any characters facing a strike before their assignment?
Right. No. :oops:
There may be character considered facing a strike before the strike is being resolved.

If the strike is not defeated, place creature's card with Foes Shall Fall-creature is considered off to the side.
Before the strike is resolved Dragon or Drake is not attached to Foes Shall Fall.

There may be multiple Foes Shall Fall played during facing the same attack or attacks of the same creature.
Card placed off to the side is not affected by anything in play except effects that specifically refer to the card placed off to the side.
So if there are three copies of Foes Shall Fall it is possible that two copies will remain in play without associated creature. Creature will not be taken over by Foes Shall Fall if it is already off to the side.
Also if a Dragon or Drake hazard creature attack does not come from creature (in practice it comes from Dragon Ahunt), there may be copies of Foes Shall Fall without attached creature remaining in play after facing the attack.

And I think that if copy of Foes Shall Fall with associated creature will be discarded before all strikes are resolved, the attack is discontinued. This may happen if not defeated strike will cause removing from active play target character.
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