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A Short Rest, and other questions

Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 3:17 pm
by Balin
1.- Someone told me at GCCG that a mind 1 character like Halbarad allows a player to draw extra cards due to A Short Rest, is that right? As far as I know, mind-less-than-3 characters draw no cards while moving. I've never heard before that A Short Rest overrides this rule :?

2.- Dark Quarrels and Gates of Morning
Cancel one attack by Orcs, Trolls, or Men. Alternatively, if Gates of Morning is in play, the number of strikes from any attack is reduced to half of its original number, rounded up.
What happens if there is something in play that increases the number of strikes, like Minion Stir? Here the 'original' word could mean 'number of strikes before any modification', ignoring cards like Minion Stir, but I think it needs some clarification.

3.- A Chance Meeting (or We have come to kill) while facing an Assassin
Assuming the company is staying at a site, I believe it is possible to play A Chance Meeting and a character before strikes are assigned (in response to the creature being played). But, if the creature has multiple attacks like Assassin, can I play A Chance Meeting between one attack and the next one?

Thanks in advance.

Re: A Short Rest, and other questions

Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 3:45 pm
by Konrad Klar
1) If player cannot draw cards for company's movement it does not matter how much cards he could draw.
2) "Original" does not mean "normal".
3) Resources may be played before strikes are assigned and between strike sequences without additional restrictions other that :
Annotation 13: An attack may not be canceled once its strikes have been assigned. A
strike may not be canceled once the dice-roll for the strike has been made.

Re: A Short Rest, and other questions

Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 1:52 pm
by Balin
Konrad Klar wrote:2) "Original" does not mean "normal".
Sorry, I'm not sure what are you trying to mean with that answer.
Konrad Klar wrote:3) Resources may be played before strikes are assigned and between strike sequences without additional restrictions other that :
Annotation 13: An attack may not be canceled once its strikes have been assigned. A
strike may not be canceled once the dice-roll for the strike has been made.
Therefore I guess A Chance Meeting is playable even after strikes are assigned but before dice are rolled (in that fashion, the character already in play faces the creature saving you from assigning the other character just played due to A Chance Meeting).

Re: A Short Rest, and other questions

Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 2:55 pm
by Konrad Klar
Balin wrote:
Konrad Klar wrote:2) "Original" does not mean "normal".
Sorry, I'm not sure what are you trying to mean with that answer.
"Original" refer to the state before resolution of Dark Quarrels.
Balin wrote: Therefore I guess A Chance Meeting is playable even after strikes are assigned but before dice are rolled (in that fashion, the character already in play faces the creature saving you from assigning the other character just played due to A Chance Meeting).
Yes. It may be played in middle of attack, between strike sequences.

Re: A Short Rest, and other questions

Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 7:27 pm
by Bandobras Took
Konrad Klar wrote:
Balin wrote:
Konrad Klar wrote:2) "Original" does not mean "normal".
Sorry, I'm not sure what are you trying to mean with that answer.
"Original" refer to the state before resolution of Dark Quarrels.
I would contest that. Its current number of strikes is its state before the resolution of dark quarrels. Its normal number of strikes is the number of strikes on the card that created the attack without considering other card's effects. However, its original number of strikes is the number of strikes the attack had before Dark Quarrels was declared, not resolved.

Example:

I play Stirring Bones on a company and an attack is created with 2 strikes. The resource player declares Dark Quarrels. If I respond with Moon is Dead then:

Moon is Dead resolves: attack now has three strikes.

Dark Quarrels resolves: attack will have one strike because its original number was 2.

Strikes may now be assigned.

Re: A Short Rest, and other questions

Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 9:37 pm
by Konrad Klar
Bandobras Took wrote:[...]If I respond with Moon is Dead then:[...]
I get the idea, but The Moon is Dead is bad example. Good example would be tapping of Hoarmurath of Dir.
Action from The Moon is Dead (+1 strike, +1 prowess) is activated by passive condition (attack of Undead against target).
Annotation 9: If a card specifies that an action is to occur as a result of some specific
passive condition, this action becomes automatically the first action declared in the
chain of effects to immediately follow the chain of effects producing the passive
condition.
So (+1 strike, +1 prowess) would be declared and eventually* resolved after resolution of Dark Quarrels.

I did not find any reference to the "original" in rules, so I'm assuming that it just means "before modification".

Example of card where an attack is referred using word "original". **
Incite Defenders wrote:Playable on a Border-hold or Free-hold [F]. An additional automatic-attack is created at the site until the end of the turn. This is an exact duplicate (including all existing and eventual modifications to prowess, etc.) of an existing automatic attack at the site of your choice. This attack is faced immediately following its original. Cannot be duplicated on a given site.


As seen an "original" attack has nothing to do with the attack with normal parameters (unmodified by anything) here.


*) Eventually because The Moon is Dead would be discarded in response, or attack would be canceled [even before declaration of (+1 strike, +1 prowess)].
**) Other example is Orc Quarrels, but such example does not prove too much. :wink:

Re: A Short Rest, and other questions

Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 2:42 am
by Bandobras Took
Good points. I agree, by the way, that original does not equate normal.