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Konrad Klar
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White Hand, Getting Ready to Play, Starting Characters wrote:Your starting characters (up to 5) may include hero characters and minion characters, but you may not start a character with a mind greater than 5.
However, you may not start Orc and Troll characters unless you start with an
appropriate stage resource card (e.g., Bad Company).
but not "only":
White Hand, Special Orc & Troll Rules wrote:You may not play Orc and Troll characters until you have played the appropriate card (e.g., Bad Company).
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Manuel
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The Rules Question section of this forum are answered with official documents, not with opinions, to avoid confussion between anyone else who is looking for an answer here. CoE Digest 63 and Play and Examples File are offcial documents, so until something is done about that, that's the answer to any question here.

If you have any problem with their reasoning, the NetRep forum is the place to debate that, but not here, this is aimed to help people, not to confuse them.
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Konrad Klar
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Manuel wrote:If you have any problem with their reasoning, the NetRep forum is the place to debate that, but not here, this is aimed to help people, not to confuse them.
I believe that official rulings are aimed to help people too, not to confusing them. Unfortunately nobody is perfect.
Sometimes such questions and doubts are results of real game. I don't intend to confuse people saying that something is ok, if it is clear that it is not.
I speak of rules in general, how they are working and why, not resticting myself to redirecting people to particular CoE Digest.

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Jambo
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Whilst Manuel is generally correct in what he says above, in that players asking questions about rules should be quoted the current, 'accepted' rulings, this isn't made easy by the fact that the rules and rulings surrounding playing characters are at best, ambiguous and illogical!! After all, why on earth do questions keep arising about them? No matter which way you look at it, there's simply no logical methodology to how it all pieces together. It's effectively one rule for one method or card and another rule for another...

How can regular players or new players possibly be expected to unravel the mysteries and ambiguities when some of the players with more experienced knowledge of the rules, are in the same boat! This isn't helped, I might add, by the poor quality of answers originally given in old ICE digests and some of the later digests quoted in this thread, which just gave one word answers. :?

Ultimately, this is why we're in the situation whereby simple regurgitation the same poor digests and rulings, etc, isn't solving the problem! They still don't make sense.

There needs to be a common sense approach to how this works, one where all the character playing rules and the character playing cards are all singing from the same 'logical' hymn sheet, or at the very least work from a sound reasoning.
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