Council of Elrond

CRF, Errata (Cards) Incite Denizens wrote:When copying an attack put on the site by another card, Incite Denizens will not copy
any other effects of the card. When copying an attack put on the site by another card,
the Incite Denizens attack will disappear if the other card is discarded.

The texts wrongly assumes that an additional automatic-attack may be added only by permanent-event, or by long-event, and that it may disappear only in result of discarding such event.

There are other possibilities. An additional automatic-attack may be added in result of short-event, and may disappear in result of playing of other card (Dragon Ahunt, if At Home manifestation of the same Dragon is in play).

I propose the following clarification:

"When copying an attack put on the site by another card, Incite Denizens will not copy
any other effects of the card. When copying an attack put on the site by another card,
the Incite Denizens attack will disappear if an original attack disappeared."

EDIT: Corrected thread title: "(carification)" -> "(clarification)"

I think the Dragon case still won't be handled because of the "When copying an attack put on the site by another card" part. Perhaps just:

"When copying an attack put on the site by another card, Incite Denizens will not copy
any other effects of the card. Remove the Incite Denizens attack if the attack it copied is removed."

Right. Accepted.

Konrad Klar wrote: ↑Mon Jan 28, 2019 8:41 pm

CRF, Errata (Cards) Incite Denizens wrote:When copying an attack put on the site by another card, Incite Denizens will not copy
any other effects of the card. When copying an attack put on the site by another card,
the Incite Denizens attack will disappear if the other card is discarded.

The texts wrongly assumes that an additional automatic-attack may be added only by permanent-event, or by long-event, and that it may disappear only in result of discarding such event.

There are other possibilities. An additional automatic-attack may be added in result of short-event, and may disappear in result of playing of other card (Dragon Ahunt, if At Home manifestation of the same Dragon is in play).

I propose the following clarification:

"When copying an attack put on the site by another card, Incite Denizens will not copy
any other effects of the card. When copying an attack put on the site by another card,
the Incite Denizens attack will disappear if an original attack disappeared."

EDIT: Corrected thread title: "(carification)" -> "(clarification)"

The ruling on Incite Denizens is merely a clarification of how the rules already work. When something is not in play, then it has no effect on the game unless there are special rules. This is fundamentally how all games work.

If the At Home Dragon attack is removed because the corresponding Ahunt is in play, then the duplicate of the At Home attack created by Incite Denizens is also removed because Incite Denizens specifically states "this is an exact duplicate (including all existing and eventual modifications to prowess, etc.)."

The proposal is not needed, it's not more helpful than the CRF, and it includes idiomatic errors.