Skill cards target character with skill

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Re: Skill cards target character with skill

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White Hand, Special Orc & Troll Rules wrote:• A hero resource may not target an Orc or Troll character (e.g., Orc and Troll
characters may not use Block, Escape, etc.).
• A hero resource that requires a character with a specific skill may not use an Orc
or Troll character to fulfill that requirement (e.g., Concealment, Many Turns and
Doublings, etc.).
The rule distinguishes between the cards requiring skills an the cards targeting character.

If all cards that require a character with given skill would target the character, then the second sentence would be redundant.

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To be fair: I disagree that Escape targets a character.
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Re: Skill cards target character with skill

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I would think the second bullet would include cards like Into the Smoking Cone, which requires the existence of a non-targeted sage, so I am not concerned about it being redundant with the first bullet.

I agree with your "some consistency would require either:" assessment. At the very least, "card(/effect) required X to play" (past tense => this play instance) should strictly fall under (2). One the other hand, "card(/effect) requiring X to play" (present participle) can indicate (1), and it must be (1) when the phrase references a card that is not currently being played (contrast with the phrase "card that can require X to play"). This would mean CRF "Sage only" for Palantir of Annuminas would be (1), the first use of Searching Eye would be (1) because it uses the same wording, while the second use of Searching Eye would be (2).

It is not clear to me what your post about factions and not liking Gnaw With Words is intending.
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Re: Skill cards target character with skill

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Theo wrote:
Thu Jan 30, 2020 4:37 am
I would think the second bullet would include cards like Into the Smoking Cone, which requires the existence of a non-targeted sage, so I am not concerned about it being redundant with the first bullet.
I am sure that it would include cards like Into the Smoking Cone.
With of without:
Any card requiring a sage to play is a sage only card.
that effectively makes Into the Smoking Cone a Sage only.
Theo wrote:
Thu Jan 30, 2020 4:37 am
It is not clear to me what your post about factions and not liking Gnaw With Words is intending.
If some rule is referring to a card that requires a faction, then such reference is valid for Tribute Garnered, Trouble on All Borders, and Stone of Erech.
If it is undesired that the reference would point to hazard cards, then change the reference. If it is undesired that the reference would point to cards that target a faction, then change the reference.
Trying to prove that Tribute Garnered or Trouble on All Border do not math the reference is backbreaking.

Primary use of Gnaw with Words requires a Sage (and the requirement normally cannot be fulfilled by anything else, like Dwarf, for instance).
Alternative use of Gnaw with Words requires a Diplomat (and the requirement normally cannot be fulfilled by anything else, like Dwarf, for instance).

If fact that only firs use requires Sage and only second use requires Diplomat, would indicate that the card itself does dot require Sage/Diplomat skills, then consistently Spies Feared may be considered the card not requiring itself Scout nor Ranger.
(Un)fortunately there is no counterpart of Palantir of Annuminas that would fetch a cards requiring Scout skills, or Ranger skills, in case of which such approach would fail visibly.
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Re: Skill cards target character with skill

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Konrad Klar wrote:
Thu Jan 30, 2020 9:10 am
With of without:
Any card requiring a sage to play is a sage only card.
that effectively makes Into the Smoking Cone a Sage only.
Ah, I misunderstood your point. Yes, it would make Smoking Cone a sage only card (for e.g. Palantir of Annuminas). Perhaps this is different from a "Sage only" "skill card".
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