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by CDavis7M
Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:50 am
Forum: Rules Questions
Topic: Curiosity: Wisdom to Wield on FW's Orc or Troll
Replies: 52
Views: 718

Re: Curiosity: Wisdom to Wield on FW's Orc or Troll

Konrad Klar wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 11:07 pm
Your understanding leads you to use the word "clearly" frequently.
Clearly.
by CDavis7M
Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:57 pm
Forum: Rules Questions
Topic: Curiosity: Wisdom to Wield on FW's Orc or Troll
Replies: 52
Views: 718

Re: Curiosity: Wisdom to Wield on FW's Orc or Troll

According to me, bearer of Dwarven Ring under effect of Wisdom to Wield is considered as Dwarf bearer of the ring WHOEVER/WHATEVER checks for it. Your understanding contradicts ICE's stated ruling practice. Your misunderstanding on this point is the reason why you are wrong about Wisdom to Wield. T...
by CDavis7M
Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:30 pm
Forum: Rules Questions
Topic: Curiosity: Wisdom to Wield on FW's Orc or Troll
Replies: 52
Views: 718

Re: Curiosity: Wisdom to Wield on FW's Orc or Troll

If a Dwarven Ring had two prowess modifiers as you suggested [...] It has one. With two alternative values. One for non-Dwarf, other for Dwarf. This is why the prowess modifier on the Dwarven Rings are written as "+2(4)" and not "+2(+4)." Yes. +2(+4) would suggest that Dwarf bearer would have cumul...
by CDavis7M
Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:05 pm
Forum: Rules Questions
Topic: Curiosity: Wisdom to Wield on FW's Orc or Troll
Replies: 52
Views: 718

Re: Curiosity: Wisdom to Wield on FW's Orc or Troll

Also, consider the meaning of parenthesis and brackets before raising your double bonus argument again. But if a check for a race of bearer would give a result like "Dwarf, other race" then also a Dwarven Ring would give bonuses and CPs both for Dwarf and for other race bearer. No it wouldn't. Ther...
by CDavis7M
Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:31 pm
Forum: Rules Questions
Topic: Curiosity: Wisdom to Wield on FW's Orc or Troll
Replies: 52
Views: 718

Re: Curiosity: Wisdom to Wield on FW's Orc or Troll

Dwarf bearer taps to initiate an effect of Dwarven Ring. He at the same time may be Doeth, sage, warrior, but not Orc, Orc bearrer. He is an Orc, therefore he is an orc bearer. Wisdom to Wield's effect may cause him to be a Dwarf bearer, but it does not cause him to not be the Orc bearer that he is...
by CDavis7M
Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:29 pm
Forum: Rules Questions
Topic: Curiosity: Wisdom to Wield on FW's Orc or Troll
Replies: 52
Views: 718

Re: Curiosity: Wisdom to Wield on FW's Orc or Troll

Oh, so you think I didn't make that up. Contradicting yourself? Don't lose it. ---------- The aspect of the Orc or Troll character being allowed to bear a hero item only depends on the Orc or Troll character; Did you know that the rules prior to MEWH already allow an Orc or Troll character to be th...
by CDavis7M
Sun Jan 24, 2021 8:00 am
Forum: Rules Questions
Topic: Curiosity: Wisdom to Wield on FW's Orc or Troll
Replies: 52
Views: 718

Re: Curiosity: Wisdom to Wield on FW's Orc or Troll

The MEWH restrictions are based on the race of the character, not the race of the bearer: Incomplete. Again, the restrictions are based on the item being borne by a character of a specific race. It is not a restriction to a specific race regardless of whether the item is borne by that race. If the ...
by CDavis7M
Sun Jan 24, 2021 5:32 am
Forum: Rules Questions
Topic: Some basic Fallen Wizard deck questions
Replies: 31
Views: 547

Re: Some basic Fallen Wizard deck questions

In the rules book section called "Getting Ready To Play", look at the 3rd step: 3) Place one to five starting characters (no Wizards) face down in front of you. The combined mind attributes (see page 19) of these characters must be 20 or less. You and your opponent reveal your characters simultaneou...
by CDavis7M
Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:18 pm
Forum: Rules Questions
Topic: Curiosity: Wisdom to Wield on FW's Orc or Troll
Replies: 52
Views: 718

Re: Curiosity: Wisdom to Wield on FW's Orc or Troll

Everything what happens with Dwarven Ring happens in context of its bearer. NOT everything of what happens with Dwarven Rings happens in the context of its bearer because there are rules such as the MEWH restriction on Orcs and Trolls that also affects what happens with the Dwarven Ring. Dwarf bear...
by CDavis7M
Sat Jan 23, 2021 8:51 pm
Forum: Rules Questions
Topic: Curiosity: Wisdom to Wield on FW's Orc or Troll
Replies: 52
Views: 718

Re: Curiosity: Wisdom to Wield on FW's Orc or Troll

Still I think that a Dwarf bearer taps for an effect of Dwarven Ring. As explained above, a Dwarven Ring born by a fallen-wizard's Orc character already has its special abilities ignored before there is any opportunity to tap. Furthermore, again and again I have to point out this restriction in MEW...
by CDavis7M
Sat Jan 23, 2021 8:25 pm
Forum: Rules Questions
Topic: Curiosity: Wisdom to Wield on FW's Orc or Troll
Replies: 52
Views: 718

Re: Curiosity: Wisdom to Wield on FW's Orc or Troll

Only thing that must be figured out (moot point) is whether given text checks for a race of a bearer, or rather for a race of a character. The MEWH restrictions are based on the race of the character, not the race of the bearer: https://i.imgur.com/unlOP8N.png These restrictions still apply to a Fa...
by CDavis7M
Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:15 pm
Forum: Rules Questions
Topic: Curiosity: Wisdom to Wield on FW's Orc or Troll
Replies: 52
Views: 718

Re: Curiosity: Wisdom to Wield on FW's Orc or Troll

Your reasoning is not compliant with ICE's ruling framework. The main thing to remember, when making rulings based on the rules and the cards, is that if it isn't there, then it isn't there. If a card says a site counts as a Haven for purposes of healing, that does not mean the site counts as a Have...
by CDavis7M
Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:14 am
Forum: Rules Questions
Topic: Curiosity: Wisdom to Wield on FW's Orc or Troll
Replies: 52
Views: 718

Re: Curiosity: Wisdom to Wield on FW's Orc or Troll

I think that an using of an item includes both having bonuses/abilities that come from just bearing it and these which involve some activities (discarding of an item, tapping an item or bearer). This point is not disputed. The rulings describe "use" of an item as including both modifiers/penalties/...
by CDavis7M
Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:34 pm
Forum: Rules Questions
Topic: Curiosity: Wisdom to Wield on FW's Orc or Troll
Replies: 52
Views: 718

Re: Curiosity: Wisdom to Wield on FW's Orc or Troll

How about a hypothetical effect that would say: "a target character bears all items as though he were an Elf|" ? Would be the target Orc character under control of FW prevented from using the Bow of the Galadhrim? As mentioned above, the way that this game works is that a restriction in the rules o...

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