Gee Miguel, I'm just teaching you the rules of this game. No need to get upset. Everyone knows the rules are difficult. No one would fault you for having played them wrong.
miguel wrote: ↑Tue May 19, 2020 11:39 am
Since you completely missed my point, I'll say it again. To me ICE clearly used revealing of the new site to mean declaration and resolution of the new site.
I understand your point and why it is incorrect with respect to
Washed and Refreshed. You're argument is that since a face-up site card already in play can be used instead of playing a face-down site card
for purposes of declaring movement to a site, then moving to a face-up site card already in play is the same as revealing a face-down site card for
other purposes besides declaring a new site (i.e., for purposes of declaring card effects specifically triggered by "revealing" a new site card). However, your interpretation is incorrect because it is counter to ICE's fundamental ruling policy:
CRF Introduction wrote:The main thing to remember, when making rulings based on the rules and the cards, is that if it isn't there, then it isn't there. If a card says a site counts as a Haven for purposes of healing, that does not mean the site counts as a Haven for any other purposes. If a card says it can be played as a resource, that does not mean it counts as a resource at any time except when it is being played. Remember: If it isn't there, it isn't there.
Accordingly, just because a face-up site can be used as new site for purposes of declaring movement, that does NOT mean that moving to the face-up site count as "
revealing" a face-down site, and certainly not for purposes of triggering card effects based on "revealing" sites. Because Washed and Refreshed states "
when the company's new site is revealed," this effect
only triggers when a face-down site card is
revealed, even though a face-up site card can be used instead of a face-down site card for the different purpose of declaring movement to a new site.
This is the most basic principle of ICE rulings and would be clear to anyone that has read them. That is why it is in the Introduction to the Collected Rulings File. All of the rulings in the CRF were made based on this principle.
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Replacing" a site card is not the same as "
moving" to the site card. However, ICE changed how to play certain cards by ruling that "
Replacing the site card is considered movement, without a movement/hazard phase" for the purpose of certain card effects.
If Washed and Refreshed were to work with movement to a face-up site, ICE would have needed to rule that "moving to a face-up site already in play is
considered to 'reveal' that site." However,
there is no such ruling. "
Remember: if it isn't there it isn't there." You can keep looking for a way to make Washed and Refreshed work with a face-up site but
it isn't there.