Draft of CoE Digest #200 Q11 - Promptings of Wisdom - Open until August 27th

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Do cards like Promptings of Wisdom, Piercing all Shadows and Govern the Storms require a player to choose which effect they are getting?

There is a significant list of CoE digests that contradict previous ICE digests without solid basis. This committee is making an effort to revert these changes whenever we detect them (with thanks to CDavis7M for his help).

Consider Promptings of Wisdom, Piercing all Shadowsn and Govern the Storms, all of which have similar texts. Here is the text for Promptings of Wisdom as an example:
Light Enchantment. Playable during the organization phase on a ranger. Target ranger may tap to cancel all hazard effects for the rest of the turn that: force his company to return to its site of origin or that tap his company's current or new site. If so tapped, target ranger makes a corruption check. Cannot be duplicated in a given company.
Many have wondered whether the ranger has to choose for one of the effects to apply when tapping, or if both effects apply when he taps.

CoE #105 ruled that the player must choose one effect or the other:
CoE RULINGS DIGEST #105

13-03-2006 NetRep: Chad Martin Source

QUERY 8

Promptings of Wisdom cancels one effect or the other listed for each time the ranger taps, not both.
However, this contradicts a previous ICE digest:
ICE RULES DIGEST #502

10-09-1998 NetRep: Van Norton Source

QUERY 7

From: Dave Stegman
Subject: Roadblock resources [Van]

Those cards like Promptings of Wisdom, Goldberry, Piercing All Shadows and Govern the Storms... What does the OR mean? Does it mean if you tap them it cancels BOTH effects, or just the effect that you choose to cancel.

First, Goldberry doesn’t have an OR in her text, so this doesn’t apply to her card. The key here is that using Promptings of Wisdom, Piercing All Shadows and Govern the Storms “Cancel all hazard effects for the rest of the turn that:” everything after the ‘that:’ is canceled. There is no choice. There are two different types of things canceled.*

Note, if the OR would have been an AND the hazard would require both conditions to be canceled.
ICE #502 is self-explanatory. When the ranger taps, the player doesn’t have to make a choice; they get the benefit of both effects. This committee has decided to uphold ICE’s original ruling, which applies to Promptings of Wisdom, Piercing all Shadows, and Govern the Storms.

Note that this overturns CoE #105 Q8
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The Dragons: From the Pits of Angband
Rarity: Uncommon, Precise: U2

Hazard: Long-event

At the end of each turn, each player may take one unique Dragon manifestation or one Drake hazard creature from his discard pile and shuffle it into his play deck.
Alternatively, if Doors of Night is in play, at the end of each turn, each player may return one unique Dragon manifestation and/or one Drake hazard creature from his discard pile to his hand.
Cannot be duplicated.
Cursive and bold original.

Bold or then bold and/or in text of the same card indicates that bold or means exclusive or.
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Manuel wrote: Wed Aug 02, 2023 10:17 am
ICE #502 is self-explanatory. When the ranger taps, the player doesn’t have to make a choice; they get the benefit of both effects. This committee has decided to uphold ICE’s original ruling, which applies to Promptings of Wisdom, Piercing all Shadows, and Govern the Storms.
Agree!
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Agree with that!!
C'mon, not the Elves of Lindon AGAIN...
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I totally agree with Konrad Klar, text or bold excludes both effects
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Thanks everyone for your contributions.

The ROC will study them carefully and come up with a final digest soon.
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