Theo wrote: ↑Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:45 pmNo. I am arguing (as I believe Bandobras Took did previously) that Peril Returned's effect: "Doors of Night is considered to be in play," is referring to a card by name. But that doesn't mean that Peril Returned leaving play means that Doors of Night leaves play. Doors of Night simply stops being considered to be in play.
If Peril Returned is stating that the Doors of Night
card is considered to be in play (rather than simply the DoN effect), as you suggest, then it would not be possible to actually play a copy of the Doors of Night card while Peril Returned is in play. This is because it would create the "hologram effect" which rezwits mentions in the reference thread linked in my original post above.
In that thread, Bandobras said the following:
Bandobras Took wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:10 am
I think he's saying that if Doors of Night is considered to be in play, that is sufficient for " Cannot be duplicated."
However, (and this is weird) Peril Returned merely states that Doors of Night is considered to be in play. The text of Doors of Night is not in play through Peril Returned (i.e. when Peril Returned is played, it does not copy the actual card text of Doors of Night).
Therefore, there is no "Cannot be duplicated" to worry about.
I believe you cannot really make both this Bandobras argument and the argument that Peril refers only to the DoN card rather than effect. What would be the point?
So I ask this question:
IF Peril Returned is suggesting that the DoN
card is considered to be in play (rather than simply the DoN effect), then how can you argue that the full text of DoN card is also not in play, including the "cannot be duplicated" statement (ie. hologram effect).
IF the argument is made that Peril Returned is referring to the DoN card rather than the effect, and you are also suggesting the entire card and text of DoN is
not duplicated, then what is the point? So you are
only getting the effect of DoN with Peril and not the entire card? Then why bother interpreting it as referring to the card at all?
(To reiterate my opinion from an earlier post, I do indeed believe you are
only getting the effect of DoN with Peril and not the card, which means there is no "cannot be duplicated" to worry about. However, I feel it is a contradiction to argue that Peril refers to the card but doesn't duplicate the card in its entirety.)