Or whether discarding Doors of Night may be considered as leaving a play while effect of presence of Doors of Night is still in play.
But
is not acme of precision.Will of Sauron will keep Peril Returned in play as a permanent event.
is not acme of precision.Will of Sauron will keep Peril Returned in play as a permanent event.
In my opinion, this is very telling of I.C.E.'s intentions and I would expect Doors of Night leaving play to be interpreted in a similar fashion, despite no clarification being issued.CRF: WILL OF SAURON
"Long-events are only discarded if Will of Sauron ceases to be in play, not if one particular card leaves play."
Echo of all Joy.
So if to consider that "ceasing to be in play" and "leaving a play" are different things, then "starting to be in play" and "coming into play" are also different things. Consistently.Bandobras Took wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 8:42 pm Correct. This doesn't cause Doors of Night to leave play; it just causes Doors to no longer be considered to be in play.
The official ruling from ICE Digest 97CONSEQUENCES OF YOUR VOTE:
If you vote YES, then you are in favor of Shelob and The Will of Sauron being discarded only when the Doors of Night effect ceases to be in play. This means that if the Doors of Night card is discarded but the Doors of Night effect remains (ie. Peril Returned in play or a second copy of Doors of Night card resolves) then Shelob and The Will of Sauron will remain in play. Therefore Shelob and The Will of Sauron will only be discarded when all sources creating the Doors of Night effect cease to be in play.
So this doesn't only apply to Doors but it applies to other cards as well. Neat. If I see the other rulings on game state I'll post back.From: Martin Toggweiler <mtogg...@compuserve.com>
>>>7) *Will of Sauron* is in play. During the m/h phase Marvels Told is
>>>targetted against it, in response another Will of Sauron is played.
>(legal because the first WoS is targeted for discard, right?)
>>> When the initial Will of Sauron is discarded do all hazard long-events
>get
>>>discarded (including the second WoS) with it even though the second Will
>of
>>>Sauron is in play?
>
>>No.
>
>I realize the second WoS would not be discarded since WoS is a
>permanent-event, (initially I was thinking it was a long-event), but why
>wouldn't all long-events be discarded along with the first WoS, since by
>its text "when this card is discarded, all hazard long-events are
>discarded" ?
It's just like Doors of Night. It's not the discard of a particular
card that discards other cards, it's the change in the game state
from Will of Sauron to not WoS.
ICE Rules Digest 550 wrote:>Ok: Doors of Night is in play. I play Will of Sauron, and later Peril Returned. Then my opponent Twilights DoN. Do WoS & PR keep each other in play, or are both discarded along with DoN? ... Since DoN was not removed via GoM, I'd imagine WoS is preserved, but I'd like the Official Word.
Peril Returned will keep the Will of Sauron in play. The Will of Sauron will keep Peril Returned in play.