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by Bandobras Took
Fri Sep 20, 2019 12:40 pm
Forum: 2019 Annual Rules Vote - Submissions
Topic: Order of an actions caused by effects of cards not in play
Replies: 13
Views: 1331

Re: Order of an actions caused by effects of cards not in play

CDavis7M wrote:
Fri Sep 20, 2019 4:35 am
The statement means:
So you agree that the current wording is insufficient and needs to be changed. Good to know.
by Bandobras Took
Fri Sep 20, 2019 12:39 pm
Forum: 2019 Annual Rules Vote - Submissions
Topic: Helms of Iron, Scimitars of Steel #1
Replies: 5
Views: 884

Re: Helms of Iron, Scimitars of Steel #1

I don't see how a rules method that consists of reading cards with any words you want, regardless of what's actually written on them, could possibly lead to problems.
by Bandobras Took
Fri Sep 20, 2019 12:37 pm
Forum: 2019 Annual Rules Vote - Submissions
Topic: Thrall of the Voice: multiple on character clarification
Replies: 33
Views: 1527

Re: Thrall of the Voice: multiple on character clarification

Yes, Thrall allows the possibility of taking a later action. When you take that specific action, you place Thrall with the character that was played. Therefore, all three copies get placed with whichever character was played using Thrall's ability. As you mentioned above, Thrall's wording does not c...
by Bandobras Took
Fri Sep 20, 2019 12:36 pm
Forum: Rules Questions
Topic: New to the game and have some questions.
Replies: 270
Views: 25494

Re: New to the game and have some questions.

The difference is that active conditions do not have targets, since they are not actions, by definition. This statement is so confused. Read the rules on active conditions and targets a few times. I'm tired of the hypocrisy. By definition: Meeting active conditions and exhausting a play deck are no...
by Bandobras Took
Thu Sep 19, 2019 1:44 pm
Forum: 2019 Annual Rules Vote - Submissions
Topic: Thrall of the Voice: multiple on character clarification
Replies: 33
Views: 1527

Re: Thrall of the Voice: multiple on character clarification

Not to discard it, no, which is what you "may" do.
by Bandobras Took
Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:22 pm
Forum: 2019 Annual Rules Vote - Submissions
Topic: Thrall of the Voice: multiple on character clarification
Replies: 33
Views: 1527

Re: Thrall of the Voice: multiple on character clarification

Thrall has no effect on the game without a character being played. And so it cannot be played to just sit around. This is unequivocally false. Giving a player the capacity to do something they would otherwise be unable to do is an effect on the game. See also Rumours of Rings. Actions cannot just h...
by Bandobras Took
Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:50 pm
Forum: 2019 Annual Rules Vote - Submissions
Topic: Thrall of the Voice: multiple on character clarification
Replies: 33
Views: 1527

Re: Thrall of the Voice: multiple on character clarification

And all Thrall does is establish an effect that you can play a character instead of a normal character. The way Thrall is worded, the effect is never "used up." A Thrall in play on a given character *still* allows the play of a character instead of the normal character, and Thrall is placed on which...
by Bandobras Took
Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:23 pm
Forum: 2019 Annual Rules Vote - Submissions
Topic: When a Company is at a Site
Replies: 35
Views: 2831

Re: When a Company is at a Site

Interesting.

So Untimely Brood lets me play however many non-unique 1-mind allies I want, so long as I have the companies for them?
by Bandobras Took
Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:20 pm
Forum: 2019 Annual Rules Vote - Submissions
Topic: Thrall of the Voice: multiple on character clarification
Replies: 33
Views: 1527

Re: Thrall of the Voice: multiple on character clarification

That's the point of debate. Thus, the initiative for a clarification. Instead of a normal character, during your organization phase you may bring into play one character (including a minion agent) with up to a 6 mind. All three cards give the same ability. This can be used to create three separate u...
by Bandobras Took
Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:13 pm
Forum: 2019 Annual Rules Vote - Submissions
Topic: Unattaped state as active condition and "tap" as main effect
Replies: 15
Views: 665

Re: Unattaped state as active condition and "tap" as main effect

Not to derail further but: Tap the sage and the site to search through your play deck and choose an item that you must reveal to your opponent. Tapping the sage/site are clearly active conditions of declaring the search the deck action. That means they have to tap before resolution, but Far-sight ne...
by Bandobras Took
Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:24 pm
Forum: 2019 Annual Rules Vote - Submissions
Topic: Thrall of the Voice: multiple on character clarification
Replies: 33
Views: 1527

Re: Thrall of the Voice: multiple on character clarification

Putting aside the issue of whether or not Thrall let's you play more than 1 character a turn, a 2nd copy of Thrall cannot even be played at all unless it brings a 2nd character into play. Read the rules on playing cards and events again. Thrall cannot be played to just sit around like some permanen...
by Bandobras Took
Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:04 pm
Forum: Rules Questions
Topic: New to the game and have some questions.
Replies: 270
Views: 25494

Re: New to the game and have some questions.

The difference is that active conditions do not have targets, since they are not actions, by definition. A card that is played on another card targets that card by rule. The argument is valid only so long as one assumes that Nenya is played on Galadriel. As I said, I think that's too much of an assu...
by Bandobras Took
Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:41 pm
Forum: Rules Questions
Topic: New to the game and have some questions.
Replies: 270
Views: 25494

Re: New to the game and have some questions.

Instead, the issue is that the play of the Nenya card itself targets Galadriel (making the targeting an active condition of the action of playing the card). Here, the phrase "Galadriel only" is the active condition for playing Nenya. You can think of " Galadriel only ", as used here, as equivalent ...

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